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		<title>By: davidrochester</title>
		<link>http://thirdculturemom.wordpress.com/2007/11/28/passed-with-oddness/#comment-26</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 21:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah -- you&#039;re a normal kind of parent (and I think you realized I wasn&#039;t really commenting about this specific situation).  I see more and more, though, parents &quot;classifying&quot; their kids rather than letting them have a personality.  You know ... she doesn&#039;t like loud noises, she must have Sensory Integration Disorder, or whatever.  As a society, we seem to be ... hmmm.  Pathologizing individuality, I think,is the way I&#039;d put it.  It kinda scares me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah &#8212; you&#8217;re a normal kind of parent (and I think you realized I wasn&#8217;t really commenting about this specific situation).  I see more and more, though, parents &#8220;classifying&#8221; their kids rather than letting them have a personality.  You know &#8230; she doesn&#8217;t like loud noises, she must have Sensory Integration Disorder, or whatever.  As a society, we seem to be &#8230; hmmm.  Pathologizing individuality, I think,is the way I&#8217;d put it.  It kinda scares me.</p>
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		<title>By: thirdculturemom</title>
		<link>http://thirdculturemom.wordpress.com/2007/11/28/passed-with-oddness/#comment-24</link>
		<dc:creator>thirdculturemom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 23:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you&#039;re right, David, even though you&#039;re not a parent. :-)

I mean, it&#039;s good that now we know all these things and we are better able to tell what&#039;s going on with a child. In most cases, I think it&#039;s better to know things than not to know them, but it depends on the person (in this case the parent) too--whether you are able to put things in context and not make more of them than what they are. 

In our case, I was never seriously worried about Asterix, because I could see that whatever it was, it was minor. This time I took him to the doctor because the school district said I should, and I didn&#039;t want to look like a bad mom. :-) It was also interesting to hear that there &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; something with his hearing, even though it was also clear that he was hearing well enough to manage quite well at school. (His spelling tests are all 100%, though the teacher did notice that he sometimes asks for the word to be repeated.) Also, he hadn&#039;t had a &quot;well&quot; visit since the one he needed for the kindergarten medical, so we took care of that at the same time. (Should I admit his brother hadn&#039;t either, until very recently, and he&#039;s 12?)

We haven&#039;t seen the ENT specialist yet. They didn&#039;t call--I guess I will have to do that. In the meantime we dealt with Kalessin&#039;s sight, who did turn out to need glasses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re right, David, even though you&#8217;re not a parent. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I mean, it&#8217;s good that now we know all these things and we are better able to tell what&#8217;s going on with a child. In most cases, I think it&#8217;s better to know things than not to know them, but it depends on the person (in this case the parent) too&#8211;whether you are able to put things in context and not make more of them than what they are. </p>
<p>In our case, I was never seriously worried about Asterix, because I could see that whatever it was, it was minor. This time I took him to the doctor because the school district said I should, and I didn&#8217;t want to look like a bad mom. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  It was also interesting to hear that there <i>is</i> something with his hearing, even though it was also clear that he was hearing well enough to manage quite well at school. (His spelling tests are all 100%, though the teacher did notice that he sometimes asks for the word to be repeated.) Also, he hadn&#8217;t had a &#8220;well&#8221; visit since the one he needed for the kindergarten medical, so we took care of that at the same time. (Should I admit his brother hadn&#8217;t either, until very recently, and he&#8217;s 12?)</p>
<p>We haven&#8217;t seen the ENT specialist yet. They didn&#8217;t call&#8211;I guess I will have to do that. In the meantime we dealt with Kalessin&#8217;s sight, who did turn out to need glasses.</p>
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		<title>By: davidrochester</title>
		<link>http://thirdculturemom.wordpress.com/2007/11/28/passed-with-oddness/#comment-23</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 23:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was quite interesting.  What used to happen to kids with little quirks, before all this testing and diagnosis?  Did they just catch up eventually?  I almost wonder whether this extensive labeling and identifying is in some ways counterproductive.  Obviously it makes sense to have things checked out that may have a physical component such as auditory or visual impairment.  But it just seems to me that we have so many ways these days to label kids&#039; problems ... perhaps we&#039;re not giving them room to just grow out of it.  

Then again, I&#039;m not a parent. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was quite interesting.  What used to happen to kids with little quirks, before all this testing and diagnosis?  Did they just catch up eventually?  I almost wonder whether this extensive labeling and identifying is in some ways counterproductive.  Obviously it makes sense to have things checked out that may have a physical component such as auditory or visual impairment.  But it just seems to me that we have so many ways these days to label kids&#8217; problems &#8230; perhaps we&#8217;re not giving them room to just grow out of it.  </p>
<p>Then again, I&#8217;m not a parent. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: thirdculturemom</title>
		<link>http://thirdculturemom.wordpress.com/2007/11/28/passed-with-oddness/#comment-17</link>
		<dc:creator>thirdculturemom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for that story, Corina--I&#039;m glad it all worked out well for your daughter. Am I getting this right--it was your son&#039;s teacher that realized there was a problem, while her own teachers never did anything? That&#039;s strange.

Something like the tonsils--or even more likely, the adenoids--having to come out might well be in the future for Asterix. His nose is &lt;i&gt;constantly&lt;/i&gt; stuffy. In his case though, the problem is not understanding him--his pronunciation is almost normal (for some reason, he doesn&#039;t pronounce the &quot;ng&quot; sound right--he says &quot;sin&quot; and &quot;sing&quot; the same way, both with a slightly d-ish n, but he can tell the difference when he hears these pairs).

The noticeable problem is more in his grammar, which is consistent with SLI--a mild case, because he uses inflectional endings properly in English now (past -ed, 3rd person -s), practically all the time. I knew it wasn&#039;t a very bad case from the beginning, by the way, because he sometimes regularized irregular past tenses, and took words from one language and fitted them in the grammar of the other--which are the signs of normal grammar processing. (Someone with a serious case of SLI will use irregular past forms correctly, but will leave off the -ed of the regular ones, for example.) Asterix used to have a lot of difficulty getting word order right though--turning a statement into a question, negation, adding auxiliaries like &quot;can&quot; in the right place. This problem has mostly disappeared too, and I think he falls in the &quot;acquires language in the same sequence as normal children but at a slower rate&quot; group.

Still no word from the doctor. I&#039;ll probably have to call them. :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for that story, Corina&#8211;I&#8217;m glad it all worked out well for your daughter. Am I getting this right&#8211;it was your son&#8217;s teacher that realized there was a problem, while her own teachers never did anything? That&#8217;s strange.</p>
<p>Something like the tonsils&#8211;or even more likely, the adenoids&#8211;having to come out might well be in the future for Asterix. His nose is <i>constantly</i> stuffy. In his case though, the problem is not understanding him&#8211;his pronunciation is almost normal (for some reason, he doesn&#8217;t pronounce the &#8220;ng&#8221; sound right&#8211;he says &#8220;sin&#8221; and &#8220;sing&#8221; the same way, both with a slightly d-ish n, but he can tell the difference when he hears these pairs).</p>
<p>The noticeable problem is more in his grammar, which is consistent with SLI&#8211;a mild case, because he uses inflectional endings properly in English now (past -ed, 3rd person -s), practically all the time. I knew it wasn&#8217;t a very bad case from the beginning, by the way, because he sometimes regularized irregular past tenses, and took words from one language and fitted them in the grammar of the other&#8211;which are the signs of normal grammar processing. (Someone with a serious case of SLI will use irregular past forms correctly, but will leave off the -ed of the regular ones, for example.) Asterix used to have a lot of difficulty getting word order right though&#8211;turning a statement into a question, negation, adding auxiliaries like &#8220;can&#8221; in the right place. This problem has mostly disappeared too, and I think he falls in the &#8220;acquires language in the same sequence as normal children but at a slower rate&#8221; group.</p>
<p>Still no word from the doctor. I&#8217;ll probably have to call them. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Corina</title>
		<link>http://thirdculturemom.wordpress.com/2007/11/28/passed-with-oddness/#comment-16</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 17:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My second child had a severe hearing problem which we didn&#039;t realize was a hearing problem.  We couldn&#039;t understand more than about 25% of what she said.  It was very frustrating for us as well as for her.  When my son, who is three years older, went to kindergarten, the teacher noticed the problem in my daughter and referred us to the speech therapist at the school.  The school year ended and they never evaluated her and we had to begin the process all over again the following school year.  But when she was evaluated, the speech therapist gave us a referral to the ENT because she heard a &quot;nasal quality&quot; in Tina&#039;s voice.  She had frequent ear infections as a baby and that seemed to effect the hearing.  The ENT said her tonsils needed to come out and the problem would probably go away.  Within two weeks of her tonsilectomy, we could understand about 70% of what she was saying!  She went back to the speech therapist and began four years of weekly speech therapy at the school (for free) and all the speech sounds that she could not hear before and therefore not repeat correctly, were &quot;fixed&quot; and by the time she got to third grade, she was released from speech therapy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My second child had a severe hearing problem which we didn&#8217;t realize was a hearing problem.  We couldn&#8217;t understand more than about 25% of what she said.  It was very frustrating for us as well as for her.  When my son, who is three years older, went to kindergarten, the teacher noticed the problem in my daughter and referred us to the speech therapist at the school.  The school year ended and they never evaluated her and we had to begin the process all over again the following school year.  But when she was evaluated, the speech therapist gave us a referral to the ENT because she heard a &#8220;nasal quality&#8221; in Tina&#8217;s voice.  She had frequent ear infections as a baby and that seemed to effect the hearing.  The ENT said her tonsils needed to come out and the problem would probably go away.  Within two weeks of her tonsilectomy, we could understand about 70% of what she was saying!  She went back to the speech therapist and began four years of weekly speech therapy at the school (for free) and all the speech sounds that she could not hear before and therefore not repeat correctly, were &#8220;fixed&#8221; and by the time she got to third grade, she was released from speech therapy.</p>
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		<title>By: thirdculturemom</title>
		<link>http://thirdculturemom.wordpress.com/2007/11/28/passed-with-oddness/#comment-15</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 09:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will, Ivy. 

Extra dimensions sound exciting--a science fiction theme! That could explain the left-right thing too--in a mirror dimension they should of course be reversed. And it wouldn&#039;t be the first time I&#039;ve suspected that some kids have been abducted by aliens and replaced with mischievously sequenced clones, though it&#039;s the first time I suspect one of my own. 

(Seriously, a long time ago in a school system far, far away, I had a class of lovely 8th grade students come back for 9th grade as monsters worthy of Alien XIII, and I told them this was my best theory. They laughed and said something about being teenagers now, which confirmed my suspicions.)

Thanks for the comments, everyone! If they try to name some weird condition after the kid, I&#039;ll recommend Audness instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will, Ivy. </p>
<p>Extra dimensions sound exciting&#8211;a science fiction theme! That could explain the left-right thing too&#8211;in a mirror dimension they should of course be reversed. And it wouldn&#8217;t be the first time I&#8217;ve suspected that some kids have been abducted by aliens and replaced with mischievously sequenced clones, though it&#8217;s the first time I suspect one of my own. </p>
<p>(Seriously, a long time ago in a school system far, far away, I had a class of lovely 8th grade students come back for 9th grade as monsters worthy of Alien XIII, and I told them this was my best theory. They laughed and said something about being teenagers now, which confirmed my suspicions.)</p>
<p>Thanks for the comments, everyone! If they try to name some weird condition after the kid, I&#8217;ll recommend Audness instead.</p>
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		<title>By: TheOtherIvy</title>
		<link>http://thirdculturemom.wordpress.com/2007/11/28/passed-with-oddness/#comment-14</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 22:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope you will give us an update on this. I asked a friend, who is a Speech Pathologist, if this was familiar to her and she could only say she&#039;d be concerned with testing conditions but it sounds like everything checked out regarding awareness of left and right and the headphones. 

Someone in my family full of teachers went through all sorts of testing for his reading problem. He has had mysterious diagnoses applied to him (like his perception included extra dimensions). It was years before a simple vision test (that resulted in specialized lenses) would help clear things up. (arghhh).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope you will give us an update on this. I asked a friend, who is a Speech Pathologist, if this was familiar to her and she could only say she&#8217;d be concerned with testing conditions but it sounds like everything checked out regarding awareness of left and right and the headphones. </p>
<p>Someone in my family full of teachers went through all sorts of testing for his reading problem. He has had mysterious diagnoses applied to him (like his perception included extra dimensions). It was years before a simple vision test (that resulted in specialized lenses) would help clear things up. (arghhh).</p>
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		<title>By: pandemonic</title>
		<link>http://thirdculturemom.wordpress.com/2007/11/28/passed-with-oddness/#comment-13</link>
		<dc:creator>pandemonic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 21:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Suzy. It&#039;s been known to happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Suzy. It&#8217;s been known to happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Suzy</title>
		<link>http://thirdculturemom.wordpress.com/2007/11/28/passed-with-oddness/#comment-12</link>
		<dc:creator>Suzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 00:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like Kathleen, I was thinking along the lines of an auditory dyslexia, if there is such a thing.

Oddness works, too.  (Audness?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like Kathleen, I was thinking along the lines of an auditory dyslexia, if there is such a thing.</p>
<p>Oddness works, too.  (Audness?)</p>
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		<title>By: thirdculturemom</title>
		<link>http://thirdculturemom.wordpress.com/2007/11/28/passed-with-oddness/#comment-11</link>
		<dc:creator>thirdculturemom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks! 

Kathleen, some kids with SLI have dyslexia too, and some don&#039;t. So far he seems to be falling in the camp of those who don&#039;t. 

It&#039;s mostly in processing grammar where the problem is apparent. In English this appears as incorrect word order and occasional -s and past tense issues. In Hungarian it&#039;s messier because of all the endings words are supposed to get in a sentence (he skips some of them or uses the wrong ones). But his English now sounds pretty normal for a seven-year-old, because seven-year-olds still make the same kind of mistakes, and he just makes them a little more often. 

Littlefluffy, I&#039;ve never heard of Tomatis therapy.  I&#039;ll check it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks! </p>
<p>Kathleen, some kids with SLI have dyslexia too, and some don&#8217;t. So far he seems to be falling in the camp of those who don&#8217;t. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s mostly in processing grammar where the problem is apparent. In English this appears as incorrect word order and occasional -s and past tense issues. In Hungarian it&#8217;s messier because of all the endings words are supposed to get in a sentence (he skips some of them or uses the wrong ones). But his English now sounds pretty normal for a seven-year-old, because seven-year-olds still make the same kind of mistakes, and he just makes them a little more often. </p>
<p>Littlefluffy, I&#8217;ve never heard of Tomatis therapy.  I&#8217;ll check it out.</p>
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